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		<title>By: SmartROI Consulting</title>
		<link>http://www.geekestateblog.com/short-vs-long-tail-what-to-optimize-your-seo-for/#comment-152789</link>
		<dc:creator>SmartROI Consulting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From an SEO perspective desired results may take several months up to a year.  As a realtor you would have to have inventory for that specific long tail keyword for a long period of time.  For example the long tail keyword &quot;condo in Lincoln Park&quot; this is a neighborhood in Chicago.  If you want to sell this condo immediately PPC may be the way to go.  If you know, as a realtor, you are always going to have condos available in Lincoln Park then SEO would be a good long term marketing plan for search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an SEO perspective desired results may take several months up to a year.  As a realtor you would have to have inventory for that specific long tail keyword for a long period of time.  For example the long tail keyword &#8220;condo in Lincoln Park&#8221; this is a neighborhood in Chicago.  If you want to sell this condo immediately PPC may be the way to go.  If you know, as a realtor, you are always going to have condos available in Lincoln Park then SEO would be a good long term marketing plan for search.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinhill33</title>
		<link>http://www.geekestateblog.com/short-vs-long-tail-what-to-optimize-your-seo-for/#comment-138247</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinhill33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From an SEO perspective desired results may take several months up to a year.  As a realtor you would have to have inventory for that specific long tail keyword for a long period of time.  For example the long tail keyword &quot;condo in Lincoln Park&quot; this is a neighborhood in Chicago.  If you want to sell this condo immediately PPC may be the way to go.  If you know, as a realtor, you are always going to have condos available in Lincoln Park then SEO would be a good long term marketing plan for search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an SEO perspective desired results may take several months up to a year.  As a realtor you would have to have inventory for that specific long tail keyword for a long period of time.  For example the long tail keyword &#8220;condo in Lincoln Park&#8221; this is a neighborhood in Chicago.  If you want to sell this condo immediately PPC may be the way to go.  If you know, as a realtor, you are always going to have condos available in Lincoln Park then SEO would be a good long term marketing plan for search.</p>
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		<title>By: timokeefe</title>
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		<dc:creator>timokeefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way to do it is focus on your main broader or less specific short tail words. I like to use the word specific or general as opposed to long or short tail. It implies a reason to use the word (lead capture) as opposed to the long short idea which never was created to apply to SEO.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You say tomato I say tomahtoe sort of thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, Like Cronin says build the pages for short tail more general topics . Like he says&quot;&lt;br&gt;&quot;rather the unintended beneficial consequnce of massive amounts of content on your core topics.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.So you can let it occur naturally as Jim states. &lt;br&gt;2.However, if you wish to do it purposefully you can still go after your broader keywords on each page, then include your long tail words and specifics within that page. Its not that competitive so it doesn&#039;t need a title tag and h1&#039;s and the mix to get some SERP love.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jim Marks- On the conversion issue let me take you down a path I ask clients often. And again I prefer specific vs long tail.&lt;br&gt;Which will convert better?&lt;br&gt;Los Angeles Real Estate&lt;br&gt;or Playa del Rey real estate?&lt;br&gt;or Playa del Rey Condos?&lt;br&gt;or Playa del Rey Condos for sale?&#039;&lt;br&gt;or Beach port Village Condos for sale in Playa del Rey ?&lt;br&gt;The buyer who knows what they want and are not going to be going theru the internet 6 month wait to purchase is coming from  the latter phrase.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now technically all those words are long tail the minute we slap a location on it. But it isn&#039;t about traffic it is about conversion which comes from the word they found you by and the capture process on your site.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I still advocate going after the larger more competitive/generalized/short tail  term because of the link juice you must create for this competitive of a term will help rise all the other terms up through the SERPS and the generalized term will get you your RELO traffic. Those relo buyers haven&#039;t a clue about neighborhoods or anything and they need to do something yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way to do it is focus on your main broader or less specific short tail words. I like to use the word specific or general as opposed to long or short tail. It implies a reason to use the word (lead capture) as opposed to the long short idea which never was created to apply to SEO.</p>
<p>You say tomato I say tomahtoe sort of thing.</p>
<p>Anyway, Like Cronin says build the pages for short tail more general topics . Like he says&#8221;<br />&#8220;rather the unintended beneficial consequnce of massive amounts of content on your core topics.&#8221;</p>
<p>1.So you can let it occur naturally as Jim states. <br />2.However, if you wish to do it purposefully you can still go after your broader keywords on each page, then include your long tail words and specifics within that page. Its not that competitive so it doesn&#39;t need a title tag and h1&#39;s and the mix to get some SERP love.</p>
<p>Jim Marks- On the conversion issue let me take you down a path I ask clients often. And again I prefer specific vs long tail.<br />Which will convert better?<br />Los Angeles Real Estate<br />or Playa del Rey real estate?<br />or Playa del Rey Condos?<br />or Playa del Rey Condos for sale?&#39;<br />or Beach port Village Condos for sale in Playa del Rey ?<br />The buyer who knows what they want and are not going to be going theru the internet 6 month wait to purchase is coming from  the latter phrase.</p>
<p>Now technically all those words are long tail the minute we slap a location on it. But it isn&#39;t about traffic it is about conversion which comes from the word they found you by and the capture process on your site.</p>
<p>I still advocate going after the larger more competitive/generalized/short tail  term because of the link juice you must create for this competitive of a term will help rise all the other terms up through the SERPS and the generalized term will get you your RELO traffic. Those relo buyers haven&#39;t a clue about neighborhoods or anything and they need to do something yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Esko Kiuru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esko Kiuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m reading this post with great interest and start to really understand short and long tails. And the discussion that followed sheds more light into the whole concept. I guess the best thing to do is try both of them and see what happens. Where the action comes from.</description>
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<p>I&#39;m reading this post with great interest and start to really understand short and long tails. And the discussion that followed sheds more light into the whole concept. I guess the best thing to do is try both of them and see what happens. Where the action comes from.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawaii real estate guy</title>
		<link>http://www.geekestateblog.com/short-vs-long-tail-what-to-optimize-your-seo-for/#comment-134953</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawaii real estate guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree those are great and my analytics tells my the long tail stuff is not so bad either. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;City homes, homes for sale city, moving to city, real estate in city, city foreclosures, city mls, city real estate listings, city properties for sale, city real estate mls, living in city, city properties, city condos and the list goes on. Obviously the BIG city real estate is the best and will drive the most traffic. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Out of the 22,000 visits from the serps every month only about 10% of my traffic comes through the 3 big CITY REAL ESTATE keywords the rest comes from many combinations like I listed.  Those all seem to be keywords buyers and sellers would be searching for. At least I think they would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree those are great and my analytics tells my the long tail stuff is not so bad either. </p>
<p>City homes, homes for sale city, moving to city, real estate in city, city foreclosures, city mls, city real estate listings, city properties for sale, city real estate mls, living in city, city properties, city condos and the list goes on. Obviously the BIG city real estate is the best and will drive the most traffic. </p>
<p>Out of the 22,000 visits from the serps every month only about 10% of my traffic comes through the 3 big CITY REAL ESTATE keywords the rest comes from many combinations like I listed.  Those all seem to be keywords buyers and sellers would be searching for. At least I think they would.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.geekestateblog.com/short-vs-long-tail-what-to-optimize-your-seo-for/#comment-134948</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hawaii RE Guy, this is the problem. Out of 1500 LT results, only a small percentage are terms that home buyers use.  Therefore LT in aggregate does not convert as well.. Individual LT terms may have a better conversion, but aggregate? no.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I mean, really.. what better term is there than? city real estate, or city homes for sale?  Kind of a directed search, yeah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawaii RE Guy, this is the problem. Out of 1500 LT results, only a small percentage are terms that home buyers use.  Therefore LT in aggregate does not convert as well.. Individual LT terms may have a better conversion, but aggregate? no.  </p>
<p>I mean, really.. what better term is there than? city real estate, or city homes for sale?  Kind of a directed search, yeah?</p>
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		<title>By: Short vs Long-Tail: What to Optimize Your SEO For? &#124; Hestia Financial, Inc.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Short vs Long-Tail: What to Optimize Your SEO For? &#124; Hestia Financial, Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Short vs Long-Tail: What to Optimize Your SEO For? &#124; RealPro Training &#38; Consulting, LLC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Short vs Long-Tail: What to Optimize Your SEO For? &#124; RealPro Training &#38; Consulting, LLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hawaii real estate guy</title>
		<link>http://www.geekestateblog.com/short-vs-long-tail-what-to-optimize-your-seo-for/#comment-134465</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawaii real estate guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The long tail keywords are the ones that have less traffic or volume as Drew said, but are more targeted so the conversion % rate would actually be higher. They know usually know more what they are looking for in most cases. I do agree you will have a higher amount of conversions if you are ranking for the bigger keywords just on volume alone.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe you can target the long tail stuff if you know your analytics. It is much easier to rank for in most cases with not as much effort.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hope that makes sense ;-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One more quick thought:&lt;br&gt;Conversion also depends on if you have what they are looking for and y a way to convert them. You can get a boat load of traffic to a site, but if you aren&#039;t converting it into sales, what good is it any ways?  I think most agents are in the business of selling homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The long tail keywords are the ones that have less traffic or volume as Drew said, but are more targeted so the conversion % rate would actually be higher. They know usually know more what they are looking for in most cases. I do agree you will have a higher amount of conversions if you are ranking for the bigger keywords just on volume alone.</p>
<p>I believe you can target the long tail stuff if you know your analytics. It is much easier to rank for in most cases with not as much effort.</p>
<p>I hope that makes sense <img src='http://www.geekestateblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One more quick thought:<br />Conversion also depends on if you have what they are looking for and y a way to convert them. You can get a boat load of traffic to a site, but if you aren&#39;t converting it into sales, what good is it any ways?  I think most agents are in the business of selling homes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.geekestateblog.com/short-vs-long-tail-what-to-optimize-your-seo-for/#comment-134363</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just not right...  Long tail does not convert better than short tail...  Where is the backup to prove this...Individual Long Tail results may convert (significantly) better than your short tail, but long tail has to be considered in aggregate...that is why it is called Long tail...If you cant design or SEO it for it, it is Longtail...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By design, if you see a Long tail phrase that is converting at a high rate, you build a page campaign around, and it becomes short tail....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, I agree with JC, design your site for the short tail ald let all of your content float it.  (although I am not sure this is a discussion?  How would you SEO for 1500 longtail phrases anyway?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Long Tail traffic is either just the icing on the cake OR all you can get because you didnt short tail well... but either way content will create longtail traffic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just not right&#8230;  Long tail does not convert better than short tail&#8230;  Where is the backup to prove this&#8230;Individual Long Tail results may convert (significantly) better than your short tail, but long tail has to be considered in aggregate&#8230;that is why it is called Long tail&#8230;If you cant design or SEO it for it, it is Longtail&#8230;</p>
<p>By design, if you see a Long tail phrase that is converting at a high rate, you build a page campaign around, and it becomes short tail&#8230;.</p>
<p>So, I agree with JC, design your site for the short tail ald let all of your content float it.  (although I am not sure this is a discussion?  How would you SEO for 1500 longtail phrases anyway?)</p>
<p>Long Tail traffic is either just the icing on the cake OR all you can get because you didnt short tail well&#8230; but either way content will create longtail traffic&#8230;</p>
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